. >> paul: just on that point. federal agencies cooperate with hollywood. >> all the time. >> since world war ii, since world war ii. john borge, won an academy award for making a documentary for the navy department during world war ii, what is now described as a propaganda film. so this relationship has gone on since the beginning of time. >> paul: so what's the motive for the senators? >> the motive for the senators, a really interesting question. this is a liberal mindset that focuses on nothing, but these enhanced interrogations which occurred in the context of 9/11, the london bombing, the madrid train station bombing and then of course, al-qaeda which was blowing up civilians, the purpose of the interrogations was to prevent the events from happening which they failed at. >> why are the senators against that. >> they're intent on focusing on one thing, torture to the exclusion of these other issues, that's, to my opinion, why they're doing it, because senators are egotistical grandstanders. >> you're looking